Podcast #57 with Paisley Nardini: Smooth Returns in a Bumpy Market

Portfolio construction has evolved significantly over the years, and the recent market volatility has brought this conversation back to the forefront for investors. As Paisley Nardini, a CFA and CAIA with extensive institutional finance experience, points out in our recent discussion, the traditional 60-40 portfolio allocation isn’t necessarily dead – it’s simply evolving to meet today’s complex market challenges. This evolution represents an opportunity for investors to rethink how they approach diversification and risk management.

The classic 60-40 portfolio (60% stocks, 40% bonds) has served as the bedrock of diversification for decades. However, as Nardini observes, the investment landscape has become significantly more sophisticated since this approach first emerged. While the 60-40 allocation isn’t obsolete, it may not be optimal for today’s market dynamics. Instead, Nardini suggests a 50-30-20 approach, with 20% allocated to alternatives acting as the crucial “third leg of the stool” for portfolio stability. This shift recognizes that modern investors need more tools than just stocks and bonds to navigate increasingly complex markets.

One of the most important insights from our conversation centered on the fundamental purpose of diversification. As Nardini eloquently stated, “Diversification means there’s always something in your portfolio that you hate.” This uncomfortable truth highlights the psychological challenges investors face – true diversification means owning assets that don’t all move in the same direction simultaneously. When market conditions favor one asset class, others may underperform, creating a natural tension that many investors struggle to accept. However, this tension is precisely what creates stability over time.

The conversation also addressed a significant shift in how we think about portfolio construction – moving from backward-looking to forward-looking approaches. Traditionally, investors have relied heavily on historical returns and mean reversion, assuming asset classes will eventually return to their long-term averages. While this approach has merit, it requires a genuinely long-time horizon that most individual investors simply don’t have. As Nardini points out, “Unless you’re an endowment, foundation, or sovereign wealth fund, long-term might be two or three years for many clients.” This reality necessitates a more dynamic, objective-based approach to portfolio management.

Another critical area explored was the distinction between private and liquid alternatives. While private equity and credit have gained popularity, they come with significant trade-offs in terms of liquidity, transparency, and accessibility. Nardini expressed concern about how these products are sometimes marketed to retail investors without adequate education about their limitations: “These interval fund type structures – you can’t access them when you want them. You have to be patient.” In contrast, liquid alternatives offer many of the diversification benefits without sacrificing the ability to reposition during market dislocations or respond to life events requiring access to capital.

Perhaps most insightful was the discussion about active management’s evolution. While traditional stock-picking may have limited value in today’s market, there’s growing recognition of the importance of systematic approaches combined with human oversight. As Nardini noted, “We started with discretionary active, went to passive, moved to smart beta rules-based, and now with active ETFs, you can have a rules-based strategy with someone who has oversight.” This middle ground offers investors the discipline of systematic approaches with the flexibility to adapt to changing market conditions – keeping the portfolio “between the ditches,” as Branden Du Charme aptly put it.