Podcast #60 with Carisa Bertrand & David Jones: Relationships And Money

Understanding the Real Money Dynamic in Relationships: It’s Not About the Dollars

When couples face conflicts around money, the issue rarely centers on actual dollars and cents. As marriage and family therapist David Jones eloquently describes it, money is just one wave in the ocean of relationship dynamics – visible, powerful, but not the most dangerous part. The real danger lies in the undertow: those unseen emotional currents that can pull partners apart.

Financial conversations in relationships often trigger deep-seated attachment fears. For many individuals, discussing money activates core anxieties about being “not enough” or “too much” for their partner. These fears stem from childhood experiences and early relationships where financial security (or insecurity) shaped their worldview. Some develop a scarcity mindset, constantly fearing there won’t be enough, while others adopt an abundance mindset that may seem carefree but lacks boundaries. When these opposing mindsets collide within a relationship, conflict naturally emerges.

The anatomy of these conflicts typically follows what therapists call the pursuer-withdrawer dynamic. One partner continuously tries to engage in financial conversations (the pursuer), while the other consistently avoids these discussions (the withdrawer). This creates a vicious cycle – the more one pursues, the more the other withdraws, leading to frustration on both sides. The pursuer might interpret withdrawal as indifference, while the withdrawer feels overwhelmed and inadequate. In reality, both behaviors are protective responses to emotional vulnerability.

Creating a safe environment for financial discussions requires focusing on metacommunication – communicating about communication. Rather than diving straight into budget numbers, successful couples first discuss how they feel about talking about money. This approach acknowledges the emotional component of financial discussions and reduces defensive responses. Using “I messages” instead of accusatory statements allows partners to express concerns without triggering defensiveness. For example, saying “I feel scared when our account balance is low” instead of “Why is our account always empty?” creates space for productive dialogue.

Financial infidelity represents the extreme manifestation of trust issues around money. This ranges from secret accounts and hidden spending to debt concealment and lies about income. However, more common than malicious deception is simple avoidance – partners who aren’t deliberately hiding information but simply don’t know how to engage their partner in financial matters. This avoidance often stems from deep-seated fears of rejection or inadequacy. The withdrawing partner may care so deeply about their partner’s opinion that they’d rather avoid financial discussions than risk disappointing them.

Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT) offers a powerful approach for couples navigating financial conflicts. Rather than focusing solely on communication techniques, EFT addresses the emotional underpinnings of financial behaviors. By slowing down conversations and exploring the vulnerable feelings behind financial positions, couples can break free from destructive cycles. When a withdrawing partner can express, “I’m afraid you’ll think less of me if you know the truth about our finances,” this vulnerability creates connection rather than conflict.

The path to financial harmony in relationships isn’t found in budgeting apps or financial literacy alone. True financial togetherness emerges when couples create emotional safety around money discussions. When partners understand each other’s financial fears and validate each other’s perspectives, they can work as a team regardless of the financial challenges they face. As Stephen Covey wisely advised: seek first to understand, then to be understood – especially when it comes to money matters in relationships.